Leaving India to overcome poverty and sexism

Episode Description

Anu Wat was born in India, shares with us her inspiring journey of overcoming poverty and discrimination and becoming the successful woman that she is now.

As young as ten years old, Anu was aware of her country’s discrimination against women and the impact of poverty in her life; that is why as young as she was, Anu was incredibly motivated to leave her country, which was hindered at that time by her parents who were worried for her leaving at such young age. 

After getting a degree in statistics and dentistry, her struggles worsened as there were no opportunities that welcomed her due to her poor background and her being a woman. These unjust circumstances ignited Anu’s desire to leave her country. 

Although she didn’t have many resources to leave and sustain herself outside India, she eventually obtained funding to study in the United States. As an emigrant, Anu faced numerous discouragements, which led her to think of a way to help other fellow immigrants. That became a reality when she started her company, Wings Education. Her company is effectively lending help to those who aspire to emigrate.

Anu’s story is just one of the many proofs of how women can exceptionally contribute to society if only the world does not limit their influence.

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Anu 0:01

Nobody wanted me to come to US or even come out of India. Everybody was scared my family, my friends did support me but my family, they didn't want me. Because even they were scared. I was scared. I'm not gonna lie. I was freaking scared. But I wasn't scared of failing or I wasn't scared of not being able to come. I was scared of losing money because it was hard on money. And I even already didn't have any.

Daniel 0:33

Hi everyone and welcome to episode number 17 of the Emigrant's Life Podcast, where we share stories of people who left their country to chase a better life. I'm Daniel De Biasi, and my guest this week is Anu Wat. She's the founder of the Wings Education, a company that helps other people immigrating. And that's not just on immigration process, but also mentoring them to overcome fear and judgment. And in some cases, even complicated situation like domestic violence. Her company already have more than 1000 people. You can find out more by visiting wingseducation.com. In this episode, we're gonna talk about why she left India and how the fear we experience when we leave our country and the judgment that sometimes we receive from people around us. And last but not least, the work she's doing to help other aspiring immigrants. Now, please enjoy this episode with Ana Wat.

Hi Anu, thanks for being on the show.

Anu 1:28

Hi, Daniel. Thank you for inviting,

Daniel 1:30

No worries. How are you?

Anu 1:32

I'm doing good. Thank you. How are you?

Daniel 1:33

Pretty good. Thanks pretty good. So I Anu, do you want to give me a little bit introduction by you? What are you doing and where you live now?

Anu 1:40

Yes, of course. So my full name is Anu Wat, And I live in San Francisco, the Bay Area. I offer counseling to international students and aspiring international students in order to move abroad and I started this little venture when I first moved to the US and I saw that a lot of students in their native countries, they don't know exactly what are the procedures and what what's the best way for them to move abroad. And to bridge this gap between the knowledge of the students and the actual reality, I am trying my best to help as many people as I can. So far, I and my team have helped more than 1000 students move abroad and with my counseling, I have helped more than 5000 students. And I always knew I had a passion for education ever since I was nine years old. And that's when I knew whatever I want to do in my life, I want to follow this passion and be really close to it. Because I feel education is power, and it has the power to change the world on a broader perspective. For me, it was difficult. To move abroad, I had the most brutal, heartbreaking excruciatingly painful journey when I moved. But then I realized I could help people with my journey and tell stories of the situations I have faced and overcame and here I am. And the I have been doing great work. I do online counseling, I write a lot about my experiences on different platforms. And I do host a podcast. And I also volunteer with United Nations and I teach lots of foreign languages. Mainly English and a lot of Indian regional languages that I'm fluent in.

Daniel 3:32

Okay. Oh, that means you're from India, right?

Anu 3:35

Yes, I'm from India.

Daniel 3:37

Okay. I want to go back to your company. But first of all you say about you're passionate about education. Is that what you study for?

Anu 3:45

No, no. So my, what I studied is totally different than what my passion is. I have a master's in statistics. And I finished my dental school and I became an oral surgeon back in India. So I'm a combination of both a surgeon and mathematician, you can say, but I choose to work for my passion that's on education.

Daniel 4:09

Do you wanna tell me a little bit more about your story about how you moved from India to the United States?

Anu 4:14

Yes, yes. So I was working as a surgeon, in different clinics and visiting. And I realized that it was very difficult for me to find opportunities that I really wanted to do. And it was partly because I was poor. When I tell people that I did my dental school, I just assumed that I'm rich, but it's not like that. I was really poor. I finished my school, but full funding. And I was looking for opportunities to do but I would never find any because everybody wanted money. And I'm like, I don't have that money. I'm poor. I'm just trying to make a living for myself and my family. And but they didn't I understand it. And on top of that, being a girl was not easy in a in a very male dominant country and a male dominant industry as well. And I didn't get enough opportunities and I kind of felt like you know, maybe next year I find something good. Maybe next year, I'll find something good. I kept on doing this for four years in row and I realized that next year is never gonna come. If I don't work for it, or if I don't work for myself and my family, we are not gonna see that next year where we are prospering and it's just gonna be like living a poor life throughout. And that's when I decided, you know, I think I really need to make some decision, not for me, but my family because I have seen my family how they struggled through poverty to raise me and my sister and I was like, I don't want them to live like this anymore. I don't. And I was, I was already 22 years old when I made the decision. And I knew I don't see myself in the future in India, but I didn't know how I'm going to do it. So I started researching information. And I encountered with lots of bad people who wanted to take advantage of me for money when it came to abroad migration, and that's one of the reasons that I started my own venture to help genuinely help people find direction. And that's when this came and might like I mentioned earlier, my journey was very difficult because I met lots of hurdles in the way and poverty didn't help. Being a girl didn't help either. So breaking those stereotypes and overcoming those obstacles was something that made me into a person I am today. And that's something that made me realize that I have a passion for education. I did not realize I have a passion for education. until three years ago, I was working in the same thing like I was helping people pursue education. I help them fight depression, help them guide in a better direction so that they have a better career and future. But I didn't realize it was my passion for education when I realized it, I haven't stopped.

Daniel 7:14

A little bit back. Do you say that you were you were poor so first of all the things that come to mind like, how did you find the courage? Because for most people, the biggest problem, the biggest obstacles when you leave the country, and you know, how am I going to survive once I get there? So people kind of missed the some sort of saving on the side? For example, if you can't find a job or pay the rent when you move there for the flight tickets, so how did you overcome all this problem in in your situation?

Anu 7:41

In order to in order for me to give exams, even for IELTS, as you know, for us now, it feels like it's just 200 bucks. It's not a big deal. Not not such a big deal, but then those 200 bucks in the currency in Indian currency where it was 12,000 rupees, and I even didn't have like 200 rupees on me. 200 rupees is around $3 during those times, and talking about $200 was even worse. But we, we saved money. And I didn't like, I told you I didn't have phone, I didn't have a computer. My computer got stolen, my phone got broke. And I didn't have anything. So I would call my friends from like local booth, phone booths, and go to like, use the internet cafes to search for the information and prepare for my exam, basically. And that's how I did it. Otherwise, I wouldn't have been able to survive like this.

Daniel 8:38

You must have like such a big motivation to do it to move to a new country.

Anu 8:43

Yes, yeah. I really hated the live like I hated the life My father was living I hated the life My mom was living. I'm like, I don't want them living like this like thinking about every rupee, every penny actually. We didn't even have penny at home. You If somebody came, we wouldn't even have a penny to go and get something like get some sweet or some cookies for them. We were so freaking poor. We had a house to live and we had clothes to wear. But there was no money. And like, how is that possible? Like people who, who have a house and who have clothes to wear can still be so poor, but I have seen the reality. I have lived the reality. And that's why that was my big motivation. I'm like, I don't want to live this life. I don't. And I want to try and improve it. It's okay, if I fail. I'll atleast die knowing that I failed but I had tried. But I couldn't be happy knowing I never tried.

Daniel 9:42

Yeah, you're right.

Anu 9:44

So this is what happened. from poverty to living in bay areas.

Daniel 9:48

Yeah, and buy a house. So that was a big deal. Congratulations. Yeah, it just must be like a huge milestone.

Anu 9:55

Yeah. Thank you, Daniel.

Daniel 9:57

So how did you go from I don't know your situation when you're in India and, and get on a plane and go to the US. So first of all, which kind of like a visa or did you just did you have a visa at that time at that point?

Anu 10:11

Yes, I came as a student.

Daniel 10:13

Okay, so you got like a student visa, so you need to pay for your student education?

Anu 10:19

Ah, yes, I did pay for my student education. And I did receive funding as well. For my college.

Daniel 10:27

Okay, so you apply to college in the US you got the funding from the college?

Anu 10:31

A little bit, not completely, but partial funding.

Daniel 10:34

And what's the requirement to have this kind of funding?

Anu 10:36

Um, it was because of my grades and the work I was doing in research.

Daniel 10:41


Anu 10:42

So that was something that made me eligible for the funding.

Daniel 10:46

Okay. And when you left you were were you studying in India at that point, or you already graduated?

Anu 10:52

I had finished my education in India when I moved.

Daniel 10:55

And at that point, what was your English level at that point?

Anu 11:00

The same, the same that we are speaking right now.

Daniel 11:04

So you were fluent in English?

Anu 11:05

Yes, yeah.

Daniel 11:05

So that was okay. So that was not a barrier for you to move to a new country with the with the language.

Anu 11:10

Not at all. Actually, it's very surprising because when I moved to us, I felt like I just came home. I didn't feel like I was an outsider. I didn't even feel that I have like, I wasn't judged basically. In India, I was judged for being too ambitious of a goal. Everybody judged me like you know, goals can't be this ambitious. Girls can't do this. You're poor. You're not supposed to do this. You're supposed to do this and just live your life and be poor all your life. That was the kind of judgment I had received back in India. But then when I moved here, I was like, how come are people so easily accepting me here? Nobody's asking me questions about like, what my, what my parents do what I did. So the freedom and the independence to think itself was a big change, I'd say and big change accepting change, because I didn't feel those restrictions. So I didn't find anything difficult to just get into the culture. And I and surprisingly, I was the only person in my class who made lots of friends with Americans and international people. So that is something that I didn't think earlier. But I found out it's very rare for an immigrant to integrate with their non native friends. The first friend I had was American, and she was like, why do I understand you but I don't understand others when they talk? I have no idea.

It was a part of because you felt less judged by Americans that you were maybe from people from your own country?

Yeah. So I could be more of myself.

Daniel 12:52

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this kind of like environment that fuels you with even having more ambitions and I think of I can do these, I can do that I can do whatever they want at this point, right?

Anu 13:05

Yes. Yeah. So honestly, if I were in India, I wouldn't have been able to do what I'm doing. Like, I wouldn't have been able to sit on this podcast because I'd have responsibilities imposed on me.

Daniel 13:17

And those responsibility you mean being like a woman and take care of the house, take care of the kids. And that's it right?

Anu 13:23

Yeah. I want to be this free. And there's one thing that I found that's different in US that I had that it had been in India is distractions, there are practically less to no distractions in US.

Daniel 13:39

What do you mean by that?

Anu 13:41

It's distractions are people's expectations of you. Okay, which does not necessarily align with your own aspirations, but you just have to follow them because they expected of you. And that is distraction, because in that case, you don't get to follow your passion. You have to live somebody else's life living somebody else's rules. And for me, that's a distraction, because that's keeping me from living the life I want.

Daniel 14:08

Okay, yeah, make makes more sense now. And so how long have you been in the US for?

Anu 14:14

Seven years.

Daniel 14:15

Seven years. So you finish your, your your college, and you started this adventure with Wings Education three years ago. Am I right?

Anu 14:26

No, I started it five years ago.

Daniel 14:29

So that was after just after you graduated from from college?

Anu 14:33

Yes, actually, the idea came in my mind when I was in college. But the problem was, I didn't have enough guidance to how to start it. But then I slowly I will start writing down the ideas I have. I made a notebook. I'll note down the ideas. I will note down what I want to give to the students. I made two columns. I made one column as what I didn't get when I was moving abroad. And I made another column what I could do and help students get what I didn't get. So the big thing on my list was motivation and inspiration. Because even now in India, people in India or anywhere in the world, now I want to talk about anywhere in the world. In in basically in a developing or an underdeveloped country people just accept their fates. They accept that they are supposed to be poor, they're supposed to live a life of a poor and die. But then there are people who, like me, who tried to beat those odds and try to do something for them. But then they, they face a lot of judgment and lots of criticism by their families, peers, relatives, whoever it is, and that's where I come in because even I faced similar situations and I'm like, what I wanted in those situation most was motivation. somebody telling me like I am with you, you are doing right, you are going towards the right direction just keep doing what you're doing. You know, just this for four words or four sentences make a big difference in somebody's use momentum to achieve what they want to do. And that was the first thing on my list and other things were honest judgment, honest, opinion comment about their improvements and honest counseling. Like, hey, this is not good for you. Don't do this, do this. This is going to help you live a better life.

Daniel 16:22

Okay, so you don't provide just to help to get a visa or get, I don't know, immigration advice you actually work, like all around the whole immigration immigration process, right?

Anu 16:34

Yes. Yeah.

Daniel 16:35

And you mainly focus on people from India of from all over the world on with your education?

Anu 16:43

From all over the world.

Daniel 16:45

And where do you see more of this judgment from other people more which country you see most of the this judgment from other people?

Anu 16:52

Actually everywhere. Sadly, from every student of mine faces one or the other type of judgment.

Daniel 17:00

In my experience, I felt not judgment. But people were saying that I shouldn't left, I shouldn't quit my secure job to go to the uncertainty. And I think they were not just judgment from them or mostly was them trying to protect me to know failing. And for most people don't do this like a big jump into the unknown because they are too scared to fail, right? And that's what people stays in the situation if they are not because they're comfortable in the situation but because it's easier sometimes to stay in the situation and actually do and do something that's scary and something that you don't know the outcome of it. So I think what you're doing, I think is great that you can help people to overcome this kind of judgment, if they feel this kind of judgment from the people. Because the people around you, your friends, your families, it's important, their opinion is important for you. And if the people around you tells you that what you're doing is not the right thing to do some people get scared and then don't actually do it.

Anu 18:03

Yeah. I know. Because of fear, yes, fears of big challenge to overcome. And I see that in, especially in the human Indian women who are domestically abused and suffer from domestic violence. And for them I have helped around 20 or 50 of these humans and helped them move abroad to study and be independent. It was very tough. I'm telling you, it was so tough for each one of them. And it was tougher for me, because they didn't want anybody knowing what they were doing. And so it was kind of between just the two of us like when they were they were giving their examinations, applications and stuff, we would do everything online. I hardly spoke with a lot of them on phone like hardly five times. Because they would be under constant constant vigilance of of their in laws, and they would need to do like they would need to take care of the household, cook food and do all the chores and still they managed to study and move abroad. And they are they are very lots of them are shy, they don't even use social media they are like, we don't want to because we have suffered too much. And if somebody else comes to know about them, they might try to hurt them now even though they don't live in the country.

Daniel 19:32

That's crazy.

Anu 19:34

It's really crazy, but but I am so happy for them and I'm glad that I was able to save lives and make them and help them make a future that didn't see themselves in.

Daniel 19:46

I yeah, I mean it's it's hard for not like in a normal situation, leave your country. Imagine like in those situation I mean, you probably have a bigger reason to leave the country but the same time we got way more obstacles in your way to actually do it.

Anu 20:01


Daniel 20:02

Because even just to get a ticket, get the money to get a ticket and move abroad and all these kind of things that you need to kind of like have support from people around you or atleast the freedom to do it. And if you don't is, yeah, I'm glad there's people like you that support this kind of services that to help this women. It's crazy. Thank you. And do you have any maybe advice for people that wants to do maybe not in the same situation? Just in a normal situation what advice would you give to people to the wants to do this, that wants to do the wants to emigrate, that want to move to a new country?

Anu 20:40

Don't let anybody tell you you can't do it. You can and you will.

Daniel 20:45

Yeah, I agree. 100%. What make you stay in the US and no, try to I don't know other countries?

Anu 20:55

When I first came to us, it was still more accepting to immigrants and everybody, the things change eventually. But in the beginning, it was the acceptance. And I chose the program I go, I went into because of the exposure that they were going to give me. And that was one of the reasons that I chose US because I had compared programs in Canada. And I also had compared programs in UK against the program, I went in US. And I saw that the curriculum that was here that that they offered, was a lot more detailed and diverse than other programs. And that's what I wanted. I wanted to be able to learn more things at the same time in the same program than rather than being focused on just one thing.

Daniel 21:50

When you left indeed, did you know what do you want me to do?

Anu 21:53

Yes, I knew that that was I think being able to know what exactly we want to do in our future helps tremendously set our course. So I knew where I wanted to work, I knew what I wanted to do. And in the end, I knew whatever I would choose to do, I wanted to help people through my work or my passion. So now I realize it's so much satisfying to be able to help people on both hands. And like you asked that, why did I choose US and not other countries? It was mainly because of the program I went into. If that program was offered in Canada, I would have went to Canada throws off or in any other country, I would have learned.

Daniel 22:40

And this program means that we're more specific to what you wanted to do?

Anu 22:45

Yes, yeah. It was the grad school program that I went to that had everything I wanted to learn.

Daniel 22:50

Okay, okay. It makes sense. Do you have any regrets about leaving India?

Anu 22:56

No. The only regret I have is I don't get to see my parents often, but it's not like I have to go in there to see them. They can visit me here and we can meet here. So it's not a regret that I can't overcome.

Daniel 23:11

Yeah, the upside is greater than the downside.

Anu 23:15

Yes, yeah.

Daniel 23:16

And what's the biggest upside about you emigrating and move to the US?

Anu 23:22

I realized my true potential. I realized, it's okay to be a woman. It's okay to be poor, to come from a poor background to come from poverty, as long as we are able to work, to rise above from there, and being a woman is actually not not the downside, but the power. Being a woman is not easy and being a woman managing the house and also helping students and doing what I also want to do in my personal life. It's it's a tough life to balance. Right? And I'm not saying men have it easy, but women from a very conservative orthodox backgrounds face a lot more challenges than other counterparts. And when I came here, the upside was like being, being a woman here for me was a power, because nobody saw me as a helpless creature. Everybody saw me as an independent girl who, who has ambitions, who has dreams and who wants to work hard for them. And I didn't ask anything for as a favor or I didn't ask for charity from people or whatever I have achieved here. I have earned it from my hard work. Everything that I have been doing and I wish to do in future I wish to achieve it from my hard work.

Daniel 24:51

I agree with you the fact that women have these extra power especially woman coming from your country that had believed If this kind of prejudices and this kind of limitation, or your boundaries just fall off and you can have all the freedom that you feels even more power, and somehow he had the freedom to achieve whatever you want in life. And also I agree with you that men usually it got easier that moment in general. I think we got easier just the fact that we don't have to get birth to kids that's just the thing that makes it a lot easier. Yeah, that's just one. Just one of the thing.

Anu 25:31

One of the things yeah, and even making kids it's not even painful for you. It's actually enjoyable.

Daniel 25:36

Yeah, I mean, we don't do much. We just we don't do much. We don't get bear food we don't have to feed them. What man can do with it's very limited.

Anu 25:46

Yeah, that right.

Daniel 25:49

Whta's the biggest challenge you had to face when you moved to the US?

Anu 25:54

Fighting the world.

Daniel 25:56

What do you mean by that?

Anu 25:59

Oh, because nobody wanted me to come to us or even come out of India. Everybody was scared. My family, my friends did support me but my family who I lived with for like, for greater amount of time in a day than I did a bit, my friends. They didn't want me because even they were scared. I was scared. I'm not gonna lie, I was freaking scared. But I wasn't scared of failing or I wasn't scared of not being able to come. I was scared of losing money because it was hard earned money. And even I already didn't have any. So the greatest part was fighting the world, the greatest obstacle. Fighting the world and kind of proving them that yes, I can do it. That was the biggest challenge. Yeah,

Daniel 26:55

Correct me if I'm wrong, because when I told people my journey, my story and I left a left Italy with no English at all and move to the other side of the world. They said that I was brave but for me it wasn't I didn't feel like I was brave what fuels me for me to leave the country wasn't braveness it was actually fear of the future. I think that's what actually motivates me to to leave was the fear of knowing what the future will be for me in Italy against what could be in another country. So I think fear most of the times actually is the motivation that puts you to make you make the jump it's not about what I dn't know ambition of courage to chase your dream is actually the fear of no actually changing at all, stay where you are.

Anu 27:41

Yes. Wow, Yes, that's right on point.

Daniel 27:46

And do you feel lucky to be an immigrant?

Anu 27:49

Oh, yes, I am so um, I think it's it's a privilege in itself an honor to be an immigrant and to live a life in a foreign country, and starting it's like basically being born again. Yeah, we don't know anybody. Nobody knows you. You just come here. Like, we just come here with two bags of like one bag full of clothes and just few stuff. And we practically build a life out of that one bag.

Daniel 28:20


Anu 28:21

Right. And that's an honor because some people just take it for granted, whatever they are offered, and be they take it for granted, or they don't don't do anything. But then it's the people who are immigrants who choose to do something for their future and for their family's future, whatever their motivation is. And that's what sets people apart from the ones who are just complacent.

Daniel 28:52

Yeah, no, I agree hundred percent. The other thing I think, is that the freedom to keep speaking about freedom I think moving to a new country with just a bag with the clothes, I think even that is freedom. Because most of the time we think that buy house, get a secure job, all of that gives us security, all of these things that gives you comfort at the same time that gives you less freedom to to do more things in life, right? And if you could go back in time, if you have like a time machine or something that you could go back in time, is there anything that has anything that you will done differently or suppose there was something that you will tell to your young self?

Anu 29:35

Yes. Oh, boy. Yes. So I wanted to first move out of India when I was 10 years old. There was an exchange program in my school when I was in fifth or sixth, I think fifth grade, I believe when they exchange program from our school to public school in Greenwich, UK. So a family was supposed to sponsor the kids, my parents got scared, they thought who was going to feed me, who's gonna wash my socks, get dressed and do my hair. So they didn't send me.

Daniel 30:09

Oh no.

Anu 30:10

And partly, they were scared because I was. for them. I was little, but I, for me, I didn't think I was little. I think I kind of grew up faster than others. I was probably a more mature when I was nine years old than other nine year old kids. And I was already thinking of future I'm like, you know, I, I was questioning my surrounding. Like, why are girls made to behave like this and boys are like this? Why am I not allowed to do this? And whereas everybody else is okay to do this. Why do other parents go on vacations every year, whereas we can't even afford to go outside of the city, like once a year? So I was starting to question these things when I was like eight years old, nine years old, and my parents and everybody else would just say you know, you're too young. You don't understand. But I think I understand too much. And because of that, I realized I was different than others. And if I could go back in time change something. I would move out of India when I was 10 years old.

Daniel 31:14

Yeah, it wouldn't be easy, but-

Anu 31:17

It wouldn't be easy, but I'll do it. I'll tell my parents you know what, I've seen the future you should let me go. You won't regret it.

Daniel 31:25

No, I don't think they would.

Anu 31:27

They don't, now.

Daniel 31:30

Hi, Daniels here. Hope you're enjoying this episode. Just a little interruption before we continue. The next segment won't make much sense at first. And that's because I had to cut some of the recording. We discussed things that she didn't feel comfortable sharing on the podcast. I hope you understand. Okay, let's get back to my conversation with Anu.

Anu 31:48

My husband also wants to do a lot of different things actually. help fight racism. That's his kind of that's his calling. Fighting racism. So he's like, you know, I want to start from these countries like from US, Canada, UK, Australia, and then couple of European countries and then make our groups here so that we can fight racism on a very broader perspective.

Daniel 32:17

Yeah, I think once the US started actually overcoming this racism, I think that will be like a just domino effect to other countries as well.

Anu 32:27

Yeah, exactly. And you wouldn't believe so I did a conference in United Nations in this year, February. And I raised a question. What was the effect of the transition in the leadership like the presidency in US on the UN overall? They said, US has not paid five years in early years. That's half a billion dollars.

Daniel 32:52

Sorry, they didn't what?

Anu 32:54

They haven't paid like whatever every country is supposed to contribute to United Nations.

Daniel 32:59


Anu 33:00

So US hasn't paid for for last five years. That's close to half a billion dollars. And they have lost lots of funding because us has a big economy, right? They contribute the most in lots of things.

Daniel 33:15


Anu 33:15

And the second was, with the climate change, and pollution and all these major effect, like refugee programs climate, they just turn a blind eye. They think it's not a real problem. It's just a hoax. And that was a big issue here. And they didn't want to be a part of the summit that UN hosts because they didn't believe in the agenda or the goals of that summit.

Daniel 33:49

Yeah, I remember that. I remember the news about about that.

Anu 33:53

How is that possible? And then my next question was, what is the impact overall, globally of the treatment that US is giving to its immigrants. And when immigrants are choosing more accepting countries like Canada, Australia, or New Zealand, what's the effect overall on the world? Because these are the these are skillful people. If they are not coming to US, they're going somewhere.

Daniel 34:20


Anu 34:20

How's that how's that gonna be affecting us? So it looked like he didn't want to answer. He didn't answer my question. He just said, you know, we should focus on honest, clear immigration and that's it. He didn't say anything about impact. He didn't say anything about US's discrimination. And then that's when I realized immigration is a hard topic everywhere in the world.

Daniel 34:46

It is.

Anu 34:47

And nobody wants to touch it. It's so freaking hard.

Daniel 34:50


Anu 34:52

So that was something that was very tough for me to realize like nobody cares for immigrants.

Daniel 34:58


Anu 34:59

On the higher on higher levels. It's it's very few people who actually care for immigrants and who actually want to do something to help immigrants.

Daniel 35:11

Yeah, I think we're gonna find in the near future, I think that I think that will change the near future because people start realizing that what actually immigrants did and do for the country so.

Anu 35:23

In US, I think people are gonna realize that 10 years after the fact. So now, we are just over like five years of the 10 years span. So after next five years, people are gonna realize what a great mistake they did, by electing the person they shouldn't have. And what impact has it made on the overall development of the country.

Daniel 35:44

Yeah, totally.

Anu 35:46

Like you won't see the effects right now. You would see it in the years to come.

Daniel 35:50

Totally, yeah, the country will take advantage of it.

Anu 35:53

And I hope they do. And I hope they do. And they, they become a bigger equally will empower the US in the future.

Daniel 36:03

Yeah, they probably will. Sweet okay so if people wants to get in touch with you I want to know or want to know to know more about your your adventure and maybe they need help to emigrate where people can find you?

Anu 36:17

Um, people can find me on all the social medias. We are really active on Instagram, we have close to 11,000 followers on Instagram. And you can find us by the username flyingwithwingsedu. No space, it's flyingwithwingsedu.

Daniel 36:39

Okay, perfect. I will post everything in the show notes for people that are that wants to get in touch with you.

Anu 36:43

Sure, people can also reach out to me via LinkedIn and they can email me directly at [email protected]

Daniel 36:55

Perfect. I will put everything in in the show notes, all the links, email and everything that work you do. everything you're doing in the show notes. Awesome. Thank you very much for taking the time to do this interview. I really enjoyed it.

Anu 37:07

Thank you, Daniel.

Daniel 37:09

All right, thank you. Bye.

Anu 37:11


Daniel 37:12

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